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Jun 4, 2008 1:19pm

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I'm 36 years old. Can you recommend a Glucosamine Chondroitin supplement to be proactive in preventing joint wear and tear? Thanks.

Jun 4, 2008 2:33pm

Dr. Joe

Administator 3,080 post(s)

I'm not aware of any long-term studies yet showing it's worth it, but plenty of protocols give good pain relief to those with arthritis - but it takes megadosing and combining with a lot of EFAs. That's likely giving a systemic anti-inflammatory response....which is good - less histimine in the joint is a good thing....but still pretty unfounded as far as I know.

Jun 4, 2008 5:40pm

STARLET

123 post(s)

MD,

Long term studies on the joints,,has been fascinating to me. I have work on the race track for most of my life , I'm a licensed Thoroughbred Trainer ...

I had such a intrest in how the Thoroughbred Race Horse..was trained for conditioning and speed. along with this came major injury.. the injury.rate is so high .. ( and talk about steriod use..oh my , the effects are un- acceptable .) I was amazed so I had turned this into a study .. I bought the horses with joint and broken leg injurys and rehabilitated many..

I have had one of the best opportunity in my life .(and that was to worked along side a one of the best veterinarians (in this type of work..) he was a surgical orthopedic vet. wow.. he was good..

We have done alot of research on the joint wear and also on arthritis- in young Thoroughbred race horses, this has included alot of injections into the joint for anti-inflammatory..( not the best results if used long term.) it is amazing to see just what happens in- side that joint..I have seen many .. The best medication that I have seen results with is call adequine..(not sure of the spelling)

This was proven to me ,that it did help the synovial fluid in the joint.. I have seen great results in horses this is now being used on humans.. what I have learned about the joint issue such as knees, elbows ect.. is interval training is an extremley powerful method of training the cardiovascular and muscular systems, what I have seen (in horses) is the muscles become to powerful for the connective sheaths and tendons,The result is serious injuries to the joints,(again steriods are used hvy..) I think at times we bodybuilders do this we hurry up for the heavy weight .. the basic problem with body strengthenthing is the long recovery (adaption) periods necessary to get biological response and improvement.it is pointless to rush through a eight week preparation which may give you powerful muscles, to a degree, but only to cause structural weakness our body needs time to develope ,should start with a pre-training and be progressive and specifc, and listen to your body ..

if it causes any joint pain ...change is a must.. working through the pain is not the best idea.. as to what I have seen in the long term effects.. they end up with no joint..that is in the horse world!.. ask the DOC! he will have the best IDEA..

Jun 4, 2008 7:06pm

MD

4 post(s)

I'm not a bodybuilder - I ride horses and my horse is on Adequan to preserve his joints. I'm noticing joint pain in my left knee. I'm just wondering if there's anything out there to help humans too.

Jun 4, 2008 8:19pm

rippedchick

1,430 post(s)

Star, I found your post very interesting. I've had a lot of trouble with my joints in the past. I've found since doing more interval type workouts (Bosu....high intensity intervals) that my joints have actually improved. It was really rough in the beginning, so much so that I went to a knee specialist because I was in so much pain. I hardly have any knee pain now except maybe on heavy leg days.

Good info.

What do you all think of fish oil for joints? Any benefits there?

Jun 4, 2008 8:19pm

summerset

1,542 post(s)

I have had really good luck with a supplement called "Joint Fuel" by Twinlab, I think. It's a silver/blue bottle. I megadosed and then pulled back to a maintenance dose. It worked very well for me.

Jun 4, 2008 1:19pm MD 4 post(s)	I'm 36 years old. Can you recommend a Glucosamine Chondroitin supplement to be proactive in preventing joint wear and tear? Thanks.

Jun 4, 2008 2:33pm Dr. Joe Administator 3,080 post(s)	I'm not aware of any long-term studies yet showing it's worth it, but plenty of protocols give good pain relief to those with arthritis - but it takes megadosing and combining with a lot of EFAs. That's likely giving a systemic anti-inflammatory response....which is good - less histimine in the joint is a good thing....but still pretty unfounded as far as I know.

Jun 4, 2008 5:40pm STARLET 123 post(s)	MD, Long term studies on the joints,,has been fascinating to me. I have work on the race track for most of my life , I'm a licensed Thoroughbred Trainer ... I had such a intrest in how the Thoroughbred Race Horse..was trained for conditioning and speed. along with this came major injury.. the injury.rate is so high .. ( and talk about steriod use..oh my , the effects are un- acceptable .) I was amazed so I had turned this into a study .. I bought the horses with joint and broken leg injurys and rehabilitated many.. I have had one of the best opportunity in my life .(and that was to worked along side a one of the best veterinarians (in this type of work..) he was a surgical orthopedic vet. wow.. he was good.. We have done alot of research on the joint wear and also on arthritis- in young Thoroughbred race horses, this has included alot of injections into the joint for anti-inflammatory..( not the best results if used long term.) it is amazing to see just what happens in- side that joint..I have seen many .. The best medication that I have seen results with is call adequine..(not sure of the spelling) This was proven to me ,that it did help the synovial fluid in the joint.. I have seen great results in horses this is now being used on humans.. what I have learned about the joint issue such as knees, elbows ect.. is interval training is an extremley powerful method of training the cardiovascular and muscular systems, what I have seen (in horses) is the muscles become to powerful for the connective sheaths and tendons,The result is serious injuries to the joints,(again steriods are used hvy..) I think at times we bodybuilders do this we hurry up for the heavy weight .. the basic problem with body strengthenthing is the long recovery (adaption) periods necessary to get biological response and improvement.it is pointless to rush through a eight week preparation which may give you powerful muscles, to a degree, but only to cause structural weakness our body needs time to develope ,should start with a pre-training and be progressive and specifc, and listen to your body .. if it causes any joint pain ...change is a must.. working through the pain is not the best idea.. as to what I have seen in the long term effects.. they end up with no joint..that is in the horse world!.. ask the DOC! he will have the best IDEA..

Jun 4, 2008 7:06pm MD 4 post(s)	I'm not a bodybuilder - I ride horses and my horse is on Adequan to preserve his joints. I'm noticing joint pain in my left knee. I'm just wondering if there's anything out there to help humans too.

Jun 4, 2008 8:19pm rippedchick 1,430 post(s)	Star, I found your post very interesting. I've had a lot of trouble with my joints in the past. I've found since doing more interval type workouts (Bosu....high intensity intervals) that my joints have actually improved. It was really rough in the beginning, so much so that I went to a knee specialist because I was in so much pain. I hardly have any knee pain now except maybe on heavy leg days. Good info. What do you all think of fish oil for joints? Any benefits there?

Jun 4, 2008 8:19pm summerset 1,542 post(s)	I have had really good luck with a supplement called "Joint Fuel" by Twinlab, I think. It's a silver/blue bottle. I megadosed and then pulled back to a maintenance dose. It worked very well for me.

Glucosamine Chondroitin Recommendation?